Thursday, August 21, 2008

Thursday

New thread.

164 comments:

magpie said...

I'll go get the others..

Wahoo!

MITS said...

THANK YOU, MARGY AND ROBO-STEVE:)

floralgirl said...

Robo Steve is very punctual, but I prefer King Steve:)

deb said...

I just read part of the recap and wanted to remind you all that wanbli in Lakota is the word for EAGLE!

deb said...

Good morning, I just finished reading about the ceremony. Interesting.

floralgirl said...

light a candle for Mason

magpie said...

skyful of birds and a chick at Finneys...

magpie said...

well maybe the chick left because of all the birds...

MITS said...

ok went and posted on incorrect blog.....Deb, that gave me goosebumps about the Dakota Indian name

deb said...

I just checked out the sea eagles picture, I hope we get to see them in the nest more often. I have to feed dogs and get going. TTUL

deb said...

When I saw he was from Wanblee, I thought, how strange is that! I just had to let everyone know. Really have to go, lots to do today. Feeding, power point presentation, Gabby, our sick one, is back from Minnesota. Gabby used to be called sneezy, renamed to help get rid of the infection.

magpie said...

I think I mis-read about the name of the medicine man, thanks for the more accurate info, DEB..
Yes, goose bumps for sure.

Have a good day, Deb, we'll look for you at the other end of the day...

xo

TTFN for me to for a bit..

magpie said...

Double E-S:

Been watching, and want to add my congratulations to you and Andrew on achieving his licensure! Big Job, for both of you! I remember going through that to get mine...my Dad was a good teacher, and one of my sisters was as well....remember all the important things they told me!

xo

Mema Jo said...

Good Thursday morning! I almost thought it was Friday again already!

Thanks Megan - the guest book has such encouraging words for Mason - He will love reading it as soon as he
WAKES UP Could be tomorrow!!

Any Peach Cobbler left in the pan? I eat things like that for breakfast ya know!

NatureNut said...

Hi Everyone in Eagleland!!! Will be off to Zoo today w/daughter. We probably will get there around 11:30ish & will head to Asia Trail.Will try to wave at panda & sloth bear windows! Will be 2 short blondes w/jeans.I'm wearing my aqua panda shirt.Will tell pandas hello from all the Momsters.
Will we see Sissy there? LOL ;>))

Mema Jo said...

I checked out the Sea Eagle pics from Magpie in the album Suzanne created over in Eaglet_Momsters!
Sea Eagles are beautiful

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

Ok, made it over here. Morning again everyone. This day is too jumbled for me. Think I will start over.

Mema Jo said...

Loretta I will send out an alert if
I spot you on any of the NZoo cams!

paula eagleholic said...

Thanks for the new thread, Cyber Steve!

Morning all!

Yay it's Thursday, one more day folks...

And tomorrow is the big day for Dave...congrats on your retirement!

indiana nesting eagles dave said...

Good Morning everyone; Have a great
day.

Indiana Nesting Eagles----Dave

MITS said...

Mei knows where the bamboo is:)

MITS said...

one day and a wake up for Dave:)

Mema Jo said...

Good Morning Dave - I bet you are almost packed out of the job site and packed into the adventurous back pack! Keep in touch as often as you can - we will all be looking forward to photos! Best years are ahead of you......

indiana nesting eagles dave said...

mema jo and mits I will keep in
touch and check in here often.I
am headed up to the tundra of
northern canada on the 4th of Sept.
to fish and photograph the wildlife
up there.

Indiana Nesting Eagles----Dave

MITS said...

that sounds wonderful Dave.....

Mema Jo said...

Enjoy each & every day ahead, Dave!
And don't get too near the Polar bears!

Mema Jo said...

Taking a break..........

BBL

movin said...

GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE!!


C(°?°)3

Jim

Eagle-Eyed Sharon said...

Good morning everyone!

Eagle-Eyed Sharon said...

Hope all is well with everybody!

paula eagleholic said...

Morning Sharon and Jim!!

magpie said...

Hi and Good Afternoon to Everyone.

Those birds still flying around on the Finney nest...some of them are white..had read somewhere recently they are probably a combination of several different types of birds, the Ravens, and the Ospreys, and probably Sea Eagles too...
wish we could see some of them close up..

The chick - not there now - looks like it has a tennis ball in its crop after a meal..just like our fat little eagle chicks used to be..

Now after three days of glorious playing, where do I start.....!!!

xo to all...

magpie said...

I have to pass this on: I read in the Hagerstown Herald Mail yesterday, about a little old lady, somewhere away from here, who was awakened by a night-time burlgary to her residence, she met the burglar in one of the rooms, marched right past him, to her bedroom, got out her 22-caliber rifle, held him at gunpoint (he was only 17 years old) and ordered him to call 9-1-1 - and then held him at gunpoint until police arrived! Not THAT'S SPUNK! And that is the kind of 9-1-1 I would love to take someday !
Girl Power ! xoxo

magpie said...

Chore for neighbor lady, gonna try to hang a suncatcher.

TTFN xo

hedgie said...

Hi all! SO many early birds this am!! You make me feel lazy! Just a creature of habit....start my day later than some and read my papers first, usually!!
Early birds get the worms!!!
Gotta go look at the album!

hedgie said...

Great captures, Margy! Thanks for sharing!! It is so beautiful there.
Lunch done...now time to start vacuuming! BBL.

hedgie said...

Sun has disappeared here...boo.

floralgirl said...

If anyone who lives in my area has some quart size Mason jars they would like to donate to a good cause, and maybe they could drop off at my Sheptown or Charlestown mkt., please let me know..doesn't matter what brand, but they must say Mason on the side.

magpie said...

OKAY MEGAN,
I'll check Rescue Mission and Good Will store this afternoon too..

WAKE UP MASON, WE'RE PULLING FOR YOU!

..TTFN - chores and all that jazz..
xo Take Care Everyone...

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

These pandas near and far are just too precious today. (Wish I was a panda!!)

WAKE UP MASON!!

movin said...

Have you read:

Both updates on the Channel Island site?

The latest additions to the Frodocam Forum?

Lisa's direction to Hawk Mountain on the BWO site?


C(°ï®¡°)D

Jim

Mema Jo said...

Headed down to pick up my play date, Alexis! BBL

movin said...

A few of us have been getting a pic now and then of Frieda or Frodo, but it is anything but a total picture of what's going on there. Even Greg is acting like nothing is happening yet.

But Froona, one of the commenters on the Forum, has a Peregrine Blog of her own, and you won't believe how many pictures of the pair she has been getting.

Click on the link below and take a look. It's probably best to start toward the bottom of the page, because the latest pics are at the top.

I think we might be getting some nesting action down under sooner than we thought.


C(°ï®¡°)D

Jim



Froona's pics of Frieda

movin said...

Guess I got that part about the pics starting at the bottom of the page, but dates of the series run from bottom to top.


C(°ï®¡°)D

Jim

hedgie said...

Thanks, Jim. Really good stuff there! Checked out other sites, too. Gotta admit, I hadn't looked at them in a while!

magpie said...

JIM: THAT IS AN AMAZING SITE....
WHAT GREAT PICTURES AND NARRATIVE...AND SO MUCH TO SEE..THANKS FOR POSTING IT...

MITS said...

thanks, Jim....I have not looked at the Italian falcons all season

magpie said...

Have Great Fun, MEMA - Me, I am going through extreme separation disorder; the Roost just isn't the same without the kid..

xo

MITS said...

I hear ya, Margy....I miss the M&M girls like crazy.....was thinking about coming up to see them next week, but don't know their schedule, just know they are back in their day-care school

MITS said...

going to try and take a panda nap...bbl

MITS said...

MEMPHIS PANDA CAM
I TRY TO CHECK ON THIS ONE TOO, SHE HAD A FALSE/MISCARRIAGE PREGNACY TOO

MITS said...

sometimes it takes awhile to download...

magpie said...

Nice nap wishes, MITS, hope both the M&M girls are in your dreams..

Safe Afternoon Travels, All.
xo

hedgie said...

All the talking we do about food, and old stuff....Today is the 100th birthday of Hydrox cookies. They are back on the shelf for a few months after having been discontinued five years ago. They are the only commercial cookie I ever ate as a kid--all that mom would buy!--and gotta say that I sure prefer them over Oreo's!!
Also, does anyone here on the east coast remember Charles Chips? They came in a big tin can and were sold by home delivery. Cracker Barrell carries them...and I keep forgetting to buy some to see if they are still as good as they were when I was a kid!

magpie said...

I remember Hydrox well, Lynn..but Charles Chips escapes me....I think maybe you should get a BIG CAN and check 'em out..

xo

Red said...

I remember Charlies Chips. They made home deliverys and picked up your empty can and gave you a full one. I loved them too.

floralgirl said...

I never met a chocolate chip cookie I didn't like.. Hey Margy, a company has generously offered to donate 60 mason jars to our project, this should solve our Mason jar shortage.

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

Oh Lord!! Another panda cam. I am going to get fired for sure!! Can never get enough panda cams. I wonder how many there are in the world, panda cams, I mean?

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

by the way, has anybody seen any eagles today?

hedgie said...

Red, check out a Cracker Barrell near you and see if they have them, too!! If not, and you want some, I'll send you a can!

magpie said...

OKAY MEGAN, regarding the jars....just keep us posted if that does not seem to be enough. Big Lots in Martinsburg still has two or three dozen quart size,(new) Mason "Golden Harvest" jars...and I have two single jars in my cupboard if you need them.
xo

magpie said...

SISSY -
We had a fuzzy view of one eagle (maybe two) this morning way before sunrise...it seems to have spent the night in the nest....
that's all that I know of...

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

Thanks magpie. Maybe they will grace us with their presence here in a bit before dark.

deb said...

I think I am the eagle jinx. I have watched two nights in a row and no visits. Off to feed dogs and myself.

magpie said...

Well - they sure have their own schedules....hope we see some in the morning too.

Take Care, al;

xo

magpie said...

that big white glowing blob at about one o'clock position towards the middle of the nest is about giving me heart failure though...

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

I know magpie, at first I thought it was an eagle's head.

magpie said...

Yes - - and now, it's Gone ??
Just a something or other with the camera and the night's light I guess...?

How is Tom's Mother, Sissy ?

magpie said...

Happy Family at Wildwatch Osprey,
parent, two chicks..

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

Mrs. Riffe is doing pretty good, really. She is confused some of the time but I think alot of that is a variation of Sundowner's syndrome that the elderly sometimes get in institutional settings. We have pics on the wall, family and Thomas Kinkade. I just want her to be home but I know that is not practical right now, so I am practicing surrender and realizing it is about her and what is best, not me (really??, no way).

magpie said...

Sissy - are you pleased with the care she is getting there? I know you had some concerns about the place...and, does she have a room-mate?
And the usual question. "How's the food"?"

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

I am having a time getting past what I think about this place, but she is happy and very satisfied. She is in a private room now but she visits others nearby as much as she can. She walked the length of the hall yesterday (with help, but still). I am hoping we can get her home soon.

Her daughter works there, so that is a good thing. She keeps an eye on her and we all visit at all hours throughout the day.

Anne-Marie said...

Anybody Home?

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

Just caught the end of The Doctor in Indie. That is one of the best movies I have ever seen. Great lessons to be learned from it.

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

Hi, Anne-Marie! We are home, come on in.

magpie said...

That sounds pretty encouraging, especially having the relative there...Private rooms have their advantages, especially, for the families and raucous visits!

+ + + + + + + + + + + + +

ANNE-MARIE: We are home and waiting to hear from you....but there are no Eagles home, sorry.

Anne-Marie said...

I give up. I've tried three times now to answer and my blog disapears. Oh well.

Anne-Marie said...

Got to go. BBL

NatureNut said...

Good Evening Everyone--home from the Panda condo! We did see all 3 taking panda naps---1 outside, Tai I think, sleeping on a corner grate right up against the glass. Mei & Tian were inside.Sloth bears got fed dried insect treats thru small vacuum hose that goes into fake termite mounds. Yum Yum!!Lots of little otters out, too!
Downloading camera, so there's room for tomorrows trip to new Butterfly Garden at Natural History.

Anne-Marie said...

ok, I'm back, my step son is here to mow my lawns

magpie said...

Well, that was a fly-by, Anne, but hope you got to see that we were GLAD TO "SEE" YOU...

Sounds like a nice Zoo visit, Loretta....bet you are excited about the butterfly garden tomorrow!

I saw a Giant Swallowtail in my yard yesterday: what a surprise!

xo

Anne-Marie said...

I have a new squirrel family living in my big bird house. They are driving the cat nuts. Two teens, mom and dad.

Anne-Marie said...

Loretta we have a big butterfly garden at Marine Land near us. I love when the land on me.

magpie said...

I saw a squirrel today with a tail that was striped like a racoon!
(uh, don;'t think that is a possible match...) but it was pretty!

Costume Lady said...

Hi AML... have you settled into retirement yet?

Costume Lady said...

Could be Margy, we have some perverted animals out there! lol

Anne-Marie said...

Wanda I may have to go back to work to get a rest. I'm beat.

Anne-Marie said...

Margy I have learned ther are many kinds of squirrels out there. We dont have the pretty red tailed bushy one you do in the east. We have ground squirrels which are brown and skinny and tree squirrels which are gray.

MITS said...

MARGY, what did the squirrel smell like:)

Anne-Marie said...

Wanda are you ready for Holloween? Are you going to be available for our get together in October?

deb said...

1st step of peach cobbler is in the oven. Can't wait to eat it!

MITS said...

Annemarie, we have been wondering whre you were?

magpie said...

WANDA - You could be right there...

Went to Good Will today to check on a toy and a puzzle I saw yesterday...found a beautiful yellow sweatshirt with monarch butterflies across the front, and one little caterpillar hanging from a "thread" - figured it was meant for me so I got it!

Now, it will be few months until it's cold enough to wear it, but so what!@

xo

Anne-Marie said...

Well Mits I hope it wasnt black and white like my stripped kitty.

magpie said...

ANNE-MARIE: AT LEAST YOU CAN TALK BACK TO YOUR "BOSS" AND COMPLAIN WITHOUT GETTING INTO ANY TROUBLE! TELL "HER" SHE IS WORKING YOU TO HARD! AND THAT YOU NEED A RAISE! XO

Anne-Marie said...

I've been running around Mits. It feels so good not to be chained to a desk all day. I could get used to this.

magpie said...

Well....I wasn't going to mention, but it was, unfortunately, road kill, the squirrel I saw....

magpie said...

I think Alexis kidnaped Mema!
Lucky her!

MITS said...

lol.....yuck:)

Anne-Marie said...

Maggy my boss is a 11 year old dog that alows me to live here.

magpie said...

I mighta considered cooking up some dessert, but the A/C is on the fritz and I don't dare! Sure would like some peach cobbler though...

MITS said...

Loretta, did you run into any Asian Trail Volunteers?

MITS said...

Tai was the one on the grate by the window, one of his favorite spots

magpie said...

Since having the nightmare of the squirrel living in the apartment between my ceiling and the upstairs apartment floor for 18 months (!) - I can't say I have a great fondness for them these days...that thing wreaked havoc here! But they are hilarious to watch...and they are very beautiful, and clever indeed! Saw a flying squirrel in Shepherdstown years ago, that was a hoot!

deb said...

Come to SD and I'll have some for you. You can come see the ospreys and meet Janie, too.

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

Sharon and Mattie just came out and got some peach cobbler, so I had to eat some too. Ain't no wonder I am so round!!!

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

Loretta, did you tell them I love them!! (Wish I was a panda!)

deb said...

I have the second step in the oven, won't be long now.

Anne-Marie said...

I need to feed the help. BBL

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

Deb, did you use my recipe?

floralgirl said...

Well, geez, I guess we should all head to Deb's house....

deb said...

Yes, I am using your recipe, Sissy. Come on over, Megan! Too bad I am half way across the country. :(

Costume Lady said...

I see another FIELD TRIP for the Eagle Express! Bluefield and then on to Vermillion.

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

Deb, if it ain't no good, it wasn't my recipe, I stole it. If it is good, it is indeed mine! Mine did turn out good. It was a recipe I found on the internet but I kinda of tweaked it around some, added brown sugar, and changed the crust to that easy crust. I am always looking for the easier, softer way.

Costume Lady said...

AML...if you are still on here, I loved the video of "Water". Played it twice just to hear "Il Divo" sing. Gives me goose bumps. My favorite group of singers.

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

Come on down Wanda!! We will find a place to put the Eagle Express. Then we will ride with you to Vermillion.

Mema Jo said...

I did get kidnapped! lol
Had a great time with gd Alexis - stickers, coloring, make believe grocery shopping - all kinds of things. Her dad always comes up for dinner and visit.

Peach Cobbler - Now Deb is in on it!
She may be divulging in it by now!
See what you started Sissy! lol

Welcome back to us Anne! You have been keeping busy! But we have missed your being around.

Loretta - glad your day went well & just know you'll love all those butterflies tomorrow. Hope your daughter is enjoying her stay.

paula eagleholic said...

I bought peaches and tomatoes tonight...might not be enough peaches left for cobbler by the time I get done with em! They are sooooooooo good!

Costume Lady said...

Margy, we had a nest of flying squirrels in an old tree when we first moved here. A storm knocked the tree down and we haven't seen them since. Beautiful to watch as they glide through the air. They must be fairly rare. I have never seen them anywhere but here.

Costume Lady said...

Paula, peaches are good frozen and eaten like a popsicle.

Costume Lady said...
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Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

I have been on a cobbler kick for a month now. Had blackberry cobbler the other day, think me and Sharon ate the whole thing.

paula eagleholic said...

How many peaches do you need for your cobbler, Sissy?

Costume Lady said...

We are definately going to go on a field trip somewhere. Timeing has to be right for everyone. It would be such fun!

Costume Lady said...

Capt. Gene makes apple cobbler with Bisquick topping. Not as good as the real thing, but it's quick and easy. Put it in a bowl with cold milk...ummm!

Mema Jo said...

Wanda - we were talking the other evening about going down to Loretta's end of the woods..
Of course we were going to rent the eagle express and fill it up with gas! lol

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

Paula, depends on the pan. For an 8 x 8 pan, probably 8-10 peaches would be enough, 1 cup flour, 1 cup milk, and 1 cup sugar for the crust. For a bigger pan, just adjust. I just keep peeling till the pan is almost full. Blanch em first and peeling comes right off.

MITS said...

well I have been up since 5, starting to get tired.....just could not take a panda nap...so GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE!!!!! WAKE UP MASON.....NOW!!!!

Mema Jo said...

Good Night Mits!

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

Good nite Mits!!! Sleep tight!! Sweet eagle dreams.

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

Well, I am hitting the sack. Sweet dreams all.

WAKE UP MASON, PLEASE WAKE UP!!!!

Costume Lady said...

Good Night, Helen. Oh, by the way, I think I saw you and Jubby on Anne-Marie's "Water" video.

floralgirl said...

Me too, long day.. nite all:)

wake up please, Mason

paula eagleholic said...

Deb, are you eating your cobbler? :):)

deb said...

I ate my cobbler, but I used a bigger pan. I had both out and at the last minute picked the big one. I decided when it was cooking that I made the wrong choice of pans, should have jumped on and asked. The flavor was still very good, just a little thin for the crust. :)

paula eagleholic said...

Glad it was tasty, Deb.

Gonna have to go get some more peaches...ate too many tonight!

Gnite all...see ya tomorrow!

Costume Lady said...

Good Night, Sissy and Megan. Sleep tight.

Costume Lady said...

Good Night, Paula. Sweet dreams.

Costume Lady said...

I guess Anne-Marie isn't coming back tonight. Wanted to chat a bit.
Was wondering how she is handling her retirement. Oh well, another time.

GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE
SLEEP TIGHT
PRAYERS FOR ALL....CAN YOU HEAR US, MASON? WAKE UP!!

Mema Jo said...

This is Crusty ChickenDukin signing off for the day! lol

Peace to you and yours
Prayers for all being said

Please wake up tonight Mason

deb said...

Sea Eagles at Finny on the Water!!

Costume Lady said...

Jo, I just noticed your comment about a trip to see Loretta. Already talked to Gene about it and he said he is game. He is in Elkins right now and we are going to Va. Beach for his Birthday next week for a few days...after that we are free (For the most part). We talk later.

Mema Jo said...

Good Night Doombah!

deb said...

Good night, Crusty and Dipsy. Can't wait to see what everyone else comes up with!

deb said...

Check out the sea eagles, I added some more pictures to the album!

deb said...

Off to bed, Night everyone!

hedgie said...

Help! Where is Anne Marie's Water video??? I don't see it! Love Il Divo, too, Wanda!

hedgie said...

Wish I hadn't eaten all my peaches!! You girls are making me hungry!

hedgie said...

Wanda, forgot to say that my Bill's camp is at Buffalo Gap in Hampshire Co.
BTW...I'm Sloopy Farkledunkin!
Good night, my "Wanbli" friends! Sweet dreams and blessings for all.

magpie said...

Great Sea Eagles additions to the album, DEB. -
"A beak like a meat cleaver." I'll say!
Good night all, I conked out on the couch and missed all the "GoodNights." Wahh...

Take Care, and Prayers.
xoxo

magpie said...

Chick at Finney's nest, and the Sea Eagles are gone for now from the Water Nest, but I bet they will be back before long!

Wake Up Mason, we have to much to tell you about....and we want to hear your music!

xo

magpie said...

The Sea Eagles are back at Finney's Water nest at this time...

movin said...

GOOD NIGHT, EVERYONE.

WEEKEND BEGINS TODAY....


JIM

magpie said...

'Night Jim - Did you check out those Sea Eagles ?? Awesome bird!

magpie said...

+++ INDIANA DAVE +++

When you sign on...
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR LAST DAY OF WORKING FOR SOMEONE ELSE! NOW YOU CAN BE YOUR OWN BOSS !

ENJOY, AND BEST WISHES !!

magpie said...

T-Bird and all the early morning risers...I'm not going to make it to morning light..sleep schedule all blown away...going to bed just now..
Take Care, hope you see some feathery friends this morning.

xo

magpie said...

One last thing: Sea Eagles have been on the Finney Water nest for a couple of hours now, maybe they will still be there; the other Finney Nest has been Empty for a few hours now..

T-Bird said...

Sorry to here that Magpie, miss you. :)

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

Good morning, everyone!! TGIF!!

ceil said...

Good morning everyone. Just wanted to get on and say Congrats to Dave. I know you will enjoy retirement. I won't be on for awhile. Will be in Cape Cod next week. Everyone have a good week and Mason wake up.

Eagle-Eyed's Sissy said...

Ceil, you have a great time in Cape Cod. Take lots of pics and bring them back to us. We will miss you.

normabyrd said...

GOOD MORNING EAGLE BUDDIES!!---Oh what a FOGGY morning---can't see across the lawn!---NPR says we will have a SUNNY HOT day today & tomorrow!!!----maybe rain weekend!----Lots happening today!!!---INDIANA DAVE is retiring -- moving on to a dream retirement---watching wildlife & take photos---CEIL will be vacationing with her family in CAPE COD----We want photos!!!--ENJOY!!----WV kids are enjoying their last day of freedom----school starts Mon. ----BLUEFIELD SHARON will be a happy camper Mon.----temp is 59° here in WILD & WONDERFUL WEST VIRGINIA-----"HOME OF BELLE & LIBERTY--PARENTS OF 3 SOARING MOUNTAINEERS" Let us SING IN THE SUNSHINE---DANCE IN THE RAIN---CELEBRATE THESE last GLORIOUS days of summer!!----LIFE IS GOOD!!----WE ARE TRULY BLESSED!!

Eagle-Eyed Sharon said...

NEW THREAD IS UP!

normabyrd said...

CONGRATS!!!---MAGPIE & T-BIRD---you all are our EAGLE MOMS today & every day!!!----MORNIN' MAGPIE -- T-BIRD-- SISSY & CEIL!!!

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