Friday, April 13, 2007

Friday

New thread.

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Eagle-Eyed Sharon said...

Thanks Steven for the new thread. Do you know what is up with the camera?

glo said...

Good Morning everyone. Wouldn't this be a wonderful time to be able to see the nest again!!! Have a great eagle viewing day.

Mema Jo said...

Good Morning All. Great to start my day on a new thread. Hopefully our cam will clear up- it was starting to act this way last evening at dusk.

Guess I had best go read the previous comments -

Happy Friday the 13th
Make it a good day

Mema Jo said...

Was checking other cams around the country and WHOA WV has a clear cam now! Thanks!

camsgrammy said...

Just check in on SC and they have a new chick. Looks like it has just hatched or just finishing

paula eagleholic said...

Santa Cruz chick is hatching!!

Eagle-Eyed Sharon said...

In case you didn't see it on the other thread, Belle was in the nest at 12:44 a.m. Couldn't believe my eyes!

carolinabeachmom said...

Good Friday the 13th morning. I have just checked all the nests and everyone seems to be fed and resting; even "wiggle worm"at Two Harbours.
I read the blogs from last night and this am and saw where sharon was haunting her halls at 12:44 this morning and discovered Belle in the nest. That really must have been a shocker. Right on Sharon. I also saw where Jill was the earlybird after jim taking over for Suzanne. All these eagles don't know it, but there are eyes on them night and day! :)

carolinabeachmom said...

Jo you surprise me at how you can keep the eagle watch up like you do. I get tired out thinking about you watching and being always vigilant! :)

Mema Jo said...

Yepper! Had to first of all check out SC - STORM - good name for that little fuzzy! unless they want to call it Lucky

OK, Sharon- So Belle was there & what a late night viewer you are. lol

Need to check out emails....

carolinabeachmom said...

Paula, so glad you got to thee the hatching of another egg at Santa Cruz. That is what I get just laying in bed on my final day of Spring Break. I missed it> :( Now I have to wait for her to get up to see the new baby.

carolinabeachmom said...

While I am still typing, has anyone seen anymore heads in the Maine nest this morning? I thought that maybe we might see another one pop up any day now. Where there is one, there might be two! :)

paula eagleholic said...

Still only one chick at Maine that I have seen!

KateAZ said...

It's snowing or sleeting in ME at the moment and they have about 5 days of miserable cold stormy weather predicted. At least we saw Mom feed a chick this morning, so the chick survived the storm last night there. Keep the good thoughts coming !!

Mema Jo said...

Just saw a pic on IWS of the SC chick - Just as adorable as all the others I have seen this season!!!

Mema Jo said...

Going out for awhile this afternoon -

BBL

paula eagleholic said...

Nest surely looks awful inviting for an egg! :)

movin said...

Chick visible at Kent

movin said...

Sorry, I meant at S. Cruz.

Mauley said...

Afternoon all, I am behind on reading the blogs (again) Hope this one posts for me. I pray you all have a good evening. Me, I never took much stock in Friday 13th and luck and the like. BUT I DO Surely Believe in BLESSINGS> so God Bless You all today. love donna

movin said...

Chick can be seen again at S. Cruz.
Jim

movin said...

Both adults at S.C. now.

carolinabeachmom said...

Blog has been kind of silent today. I take it our eagles didn't come to our nest yet today? :(

carolinabeachmom said...

Guess I'll check out the other eagles. BBL

movin said...

Carolina...
I have not been watching all morning...the pair were in the nest very early in the a.m., but I am not aware of them being here more recently.

Jim

CamsGrammy said...

Can anyone tell what they are being fed in VA. Feathers everywhere!

carolinabeachmom said...

The last time that happened, we were told that the parent had brought a bird of some kind back to the nest, plucked the feathers out and then fed it to the babies.

carolinabeachmom said...

It also looks as if they were feeding on a turtle and a fish. The biggest one is helping himself or trying to, when the parent stops feeding.

carolinabeachmom said...

Thanks Jim for the info. I am beginning to think we'll have to watch the other nests this year.

paula eagleholic said...

LOL, look at the VA nest - feathers everywhere for sure - whole nest is white!!!

carolinabeachmom said...

They have something soft to lay on for awhile; their own feather bed.

sunny said...

http://www.bangordailynews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=148668&zoneid=500

Here's a link from the Bangor Daily News about the Maine miracle!

Eagle-Eyed Sharon said...

My Mattie was born on a Friday, February 13. Gave me a whole new meaning for that day! Nothing but good stuff happens on this day!

movin said...

The light color and quantity of feathers are making me wonder what kind of bird it might have been ... in VA this time of year. Any ideas?

The oldest chick is standing (pretty well) and flapping her wings after that meal.

Jim

movin said...

You can see the Santa Cruz chick again.
Jim

Jill said...

I didn't see the bird or the feathers, guessin it would be too small for a chicken. Maybe a small duck?

Jill said...

Looks like a chicken to me. What other birds live at the botanical gardens? I think they might be missing one.

carolinabeachmom said...

I was wondering about a chicken myself, Jill, but I wondered where they would get a chicken around there.

carolinabeachmom said...

Would someone in Morfolk please let that baby chick in to get something to eat. PLEASE?

Mema Jo said...

Could be a sea gull, a pigeon or a
Chicken

carolinabeachmom said...

That poor little chick in Norfolk. I am about ready to climb that tree and push him forward to get his meal. It is almost one and he only got to push in for a few scraps. Someone needs to tell his parent that there are three of them, not two.

Mauley said...

If I were to have to call it, I would say chicken. Used to raise chickens and looks like chicken to me. Mattie is a 13th day blessing, isn't she, sister Sharon?
donna

carolinabeachmom said...

The poor little thing finally gave up. I hope the others eat sooo much that they get sick.

Mema Jo said...

Dinner time BBL

carolinabeachmom said...

Well, I hope that chick got some of the chicken because he hardly got any of whatever they are eating now.

carolinabeachmom said...

Eagle, Weagle, whatever alert!

carolinabeachmom said...

Gone already. I was watching in Beakspeak and turned to our nest and there was the eagle. Don't know how long it had been there. Just one sitting in the egg cup. I don't see any eggs:(

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Jill said...

Not sure where the botanical gardens are but I know there are chicken farms all over VA. Could be a seagull, I saw what looked like a down feather which made me think duck.

carolinabeachmom said...

Jill, I think the Botanical Gardens are over by the Norfolk International Airport; eastern Va.

Anne-Marie said...

Jo, your "bad boy" has really had a full day. He doesnt want to take a nap. Naps are for sissys. He wants to eat and play and for heaven sake dont sit on him he wants to see......Poor dad is exhausted. Where is mom when you need her?

carolinabeachmom said...

Eagle in nest again/

carolinabeachmom said...

It seems as if the nest keeps getting deeper and deeper. Could they be taking stuff out of this nest and be pputting it someplace else?

carolinabeachmom said...

Gone again. It seems to be the light colored one.

carolinabeachmom said...

Eagle in nest!

Anne-Marie said...

eagle in the nest

movin said...

I think it's Liberty waiting for Belle to get the action started.

Anyone know why and how long BW is down?

Jim

carolinabeachmom said...

Gone again :(

carolinabeachmom said...

I haven't been able to get into BW for most of the day. It says it can't connect.

Anne-Marie said...

back again

carolinabeachmom said...

Eagle Back

Mema Jo said...

Glad they came for an evening visit since we haven't seen anything of them today. I'd say it is Liberty looking for that egg laying Belle!

carolinabeachmom said...

I guess Belle is late for her date. That will never do GONE AGAIN. He won't wait forever.

movin said...

I don't believe the nest is deeper today (they have been building the sides up for months), but I think Liberty has been bringing in softer stuff like grasses, which is another positive sign they will lay again.

But I sure wish they would get it started.

Jim

carolinabeachmom said...

Glad you are back Jo. I have only seen one eagle on the nest each time. I think they were wondering where everyone has been! :)

carolinabeachmom said...

I sure hope you are right Jim.

carolinabeachmom said...

If anything happens when I am in school again, I hope someone gets pics.

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carolinabeachmom said...

Back again

Mema Jo said...

Back again

Just won't give up working in that egg well. I notice some pines brought into the nest.

Mema Jo said...

Talk about the devil and

There's Belle

carolinabeachmom said...

Yea, two birds!

Mema Jo said...

Nest is ready
Hope you are!!!

Mema Jo said...

Sooooooooooooo Much For That!

carolinabeachmom said...

I'm with you Jo! I thought that maybe the 13th would bring us luck!

Mema Jo said...

Eagle Spirits starting to come......

Eagle-Eyed Sharon said...

Well, I am home. I see I missed the last visit. Maybe they will be back. Sure do wish Belle would spend the whole night there!

Mema Jo said...

Hi Sharon, you just missed them.

Maybe she will come back.
I see fresh pine in the nest - Poor Liberty is trying so hard to give her a nice nest!

Mema Jo said...

Jim and Candy - if you have pics, send them on.

When you're back in school, Candy, you'll need to look at the album when you come home.

carolinabeachmom said...

I did get some pics and I certainly will send them on to you Jo. The computer and eagle site will be the first thing I check when I come home at night. You can be sure of that and I'll read the blogs and see the albums. You all had better keep on the ball or should I say EGG. :)

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carolinabeachmom said...

Welcome home Sharon. Hope you had a nice day today. The nest was slow but all the other chicks made for good watching.

Mema Jo said...

My son just stopped by - My daughter just called - I'll be back as soon as I take care of their needs!
Food and directions in that order.......

movin said...

I just got into BW again..

Jim

carolinabeachmom said...

Thanks for letting us know Jim. It is nice to see they are doing ok.

carolinabeachmom said...

It is feeding time at Santa Cruz with onlly one bobbing head yet.

movin said...

Carolina...
One of the Santa Cruz eggs was broken over a week ago, so the single chick will be all this year.

They only had one last year too...the first one to hatch naturally in the Channel Islands in at least 50 years. Things are getting better.

You can see the Two Harbors chicks also.

Jim

carolinabeachmom said...

I didn't realize that they had broken one egg this year. Right now they are feeding at Two Harbors.

paula eagleholic said...

My guess was either a duck or a sea gull or a pigeon or a....at Norfolk.

Glad Lib and Belle stopped by. They'd better hurry up!!

carolinabeachmom said...

Dinner is over at Two Harbors and now the poor chicks are being "smothered" again with an eagle body. :)

carolinabeachmom said...

Welcome in again Paula. Not much doing in our nest today until the pm. It has been fun to watch all the happinings in the other nests, tho.

paula eagleholic said...

Sharon, I can't believe you snapped that pic of Belle in the middle of the night last night. Shows us they are probably roosting in the tree above the nest.

paula eagleholic said...

Oh, for sure Candy. Have enjoyed Santa Cruz today. Got a couple of videos....here's one...from there you can find the other....

http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=JWjUv_lNQJM

Mema Jo said...

Hi Paula - IWS had a record crowd today online! The little bobble head at SC did very well today. Can't get over how active they are a few hrs after hatching.

paula eagleholic said...

There has been over 10,000 views on todays observation thread!!

Cam still freezing up like crazy, they had almost 400 people at one point today trying to view the cam.

carolinabeachmom said...

Wow! Santa Cruz has sure been bush. No wonder it kept rebuffering and rebuffering, if there is such a word.

Mema Jo said...

Candy - thanks for the pics. Will get into album shortly.
I am laughing about REBUFFING; however, that is what it says! Buffering buffering buffering!!!

carolinabeachmom said...

carolinabeachmom said...

Paula, I can't seem to get the address you gave in your blog to come up. It just comes up to youtube.com after I put the whole thing in there. I tried animals and pets, etc. I don't know where to look. Help!

Friday, April 13, 2007 9:48:00 PM

movin said...

Talking about "active," I was looking at the VA nest today, and those chicks are constantly in motion...even sleeping they are stretching and rolling.

You never get that feeling from the 30 sec. cam at BW, or ours for that matter.

Jim

Mema Jo said...

Was finally in BW site --
GOOD NEWS FOR A LUCKY DAY

Meanwhile while the camera was down, our ospreys were seen mating this morning and appeared to have surprisingly produced an egg!

carolinabeachmom said...

Well, it is almost 10pm, so I think I'll call it quits for now. Maybe I'll check back in to see if I can catch Belle in the nest tonight if I can't sleep. Maybe I'll get lucky.
Day is done. See you all tomorrow.
Good night

Mema Jo said...

Candy -
I sent you an email with Paula's video url..........

Mema Jo said...

Jim, Those eaglets in VA are really
getting large. Spotted one next to the adult & WOW - No wonder Lib or Belle last year would do a food drop to our 3 rather then go into the nest.

paula eagleholic said...

Thanks, Jo, for sending that to Candy :)

Mema Jo said...

No Problem.
I don't have any snack food and I
am hungry! Crackers it will have to be. It's too late to be eating anyhow.(Talking to myself)

Mits returns late Sunday evening.
Not sure when Norma comes home from
FL.

Today's photos in Momsters album.

Mema Jo said...

Calling it a day....

Good Night All Eagle Watchers
Pleasant dreams & peaceful sleep
Prayers being said for all...

Harbinger said...

Good Morning, All! An eagle in the nest tis morning.

Harbinger said...

Now two

Harbinger said...

It's hard to see at all. but I think they may be making woopie

Harbinger said...

Now this is one.

Harbinger said...

And then there were none.
What is the white haze? I thought it would start to lighten up by now.

glo said...

Good Morning harbinger Glad to post you have seen L and B and well whatever it is they are up to IN the nest is a good thing. hope everyones day goes well.

wvgal_dana said...

Morning Glo

Here's hoping your day is a good one lady. ( :

Eagle-Eyed Sharon said...

WEAGLE ALERT, OUR NEST!

Eagle-Eyed Sharon said...

I think it is Liberty and he brought long grass with him this time.

paula eagleholic said...

What the heck did they bring in? Anyone see them come in with that stuff?

floralgirl said...

Weagle alert!!

Eagle-Eyed Sharon said...

Both there now.

paula eagleholic said...

both there now, working on the egg cup

paula eagleholic said...

Howdy harbinger, Dana, floral, glo!!

paula eagleholic said...

Going for a new look?

paula eagleholic said...

Belle is really digging in that cup, now.

floralgirl said...

Good morning! Wow, that is a lot of grass or branches, would be cool to have seen them flying thru the air with that.

paula eagleholic said...

They are both watching something to the left....


still an egg at BW Osprey

paula eagleholic said...

That would be neat, wouldn't it.

That is some Looooong grass! Someone needs to mow!

glo said...

What a great way to start the day. Our kids are home!!!

floralgirl said...

Something definitely has their attention. Wish the live feed was up. Those ospreys are odd, I couldn't believe they suddenly had an egg. This morning at 4:45 she wasn't even sitting on the egg, was on the ledge of the platform.

paula eagleholic said...

Big stick in with that grass, too.

floralgirl said...

Wish they would stop by my garden and trim my ornamental grasses, they need it.

paula eagleholic said...

Lib took off.

Eagle-Eyed Sharon said...

Liberty gone, Belle is still there.

paula eagleholic said...

Belle is still looking over to the right where Lib took off.

Eagle-Eyed Sharon said...

Now Belle is gone.

paula eagleholic said...

Awww, now she is gone too :(

paula eagleholic said...

Anyone tried the live feed, lately? I haven't. Tired of fooling with it.

paula eagleholic said...

LIttle blackbird that was in the tree is gone, too.

paula eagleholic said...

Mom osprey hanging out with her egg. NOt on it, just in nest with it.

glo said...

Well while we wait for them to come back ....soon I hope I made a couple of videos yesterday for the Santa Cruz hatch and the Two Harobors Fostering. If you want to see them the easiest way is to click on my name on the blog here and got to the For the Love of Eagles BLOG OR You can go directly to You Tube to watch by going here

http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=rcVcDTX15W0


be sure the whole url copies into you address box before heading to You Tube. I have found that with the links I follow for Paula's videos I have to copy line one and paste and then come back and copy line 2 so they are both in the address bar without any spaces...then POOF...off to You Tube. Once there you will find several more videos under
More from this user I would recommend if you haven't seen it to watch the Poop Shootin Boogie and the Welcome Baby Barton Cove Videos

I hope you enjoy them...they are certainly fun to make!!

Mauley said...

Good Morning All, God Bless all of you today. donna

Mauley said...

Glo, I loved the poop shootin boogy, and I am sure Mema Jo did too. I will never forget (first one I saw) of Spunky's little poop shoot, went straight onto Big Boy. donna

Bob Quinn said...

Isn't it odd the egg at BW osprey cam is getting so little attention? Is it really an egg? Headed out to BW in about an hour. If I hear anything I'll pass it on.

paula eagleholic said...

Bob,
She sorta finally looks like she is on it....been watching this morning. I'm not sure if they don't start the incubation until the second egg is laid or not.

paula eagleholic said...

Unless maybe she is laying another egg.

carolinabeachmom said...

Good morning all eagle watchers. I am late getting on, but was up off and on all night looking for Belle in the nest. The last time I looked was about 5:30 this am. I guess I should have waited a little longer. Sounds as if I have been missing alot already. Glad to hear there has been some action in our nest. We sure do have some large grass in there now.

carolinabeachmom said...

Jo, thank you for giving me Paula's URL. I looked into it before going to bed. It was well worth watching. You gals are something else with your videos. I wanted to thank you last night, but it was late and saw that you had signed off.

paula eagleholic said...

Osprey off the nest, egg in plain view.

paula eagleholic said...

Osprey back now.

Mema Jo said...

Good Late Morning to all you eagle watchers All you early birds got to see some action in the nest. Looks as though the little blackbird is wondering the same as we are as to What are they going to do with all that new long grass? This will be interesting to say the least.
Thanks for am photos Dana & Jim. Hello harbinger! Candy-you're welcome. Sorry your nightly checks on the nest came up empty.

Mema Jo said...

Looking at BW Osprey nest right now - I really can't spot an egg. I know Lisa's remark was "what appeared to be an egg". Maybe Bob or Lisa will give us some new info. I thought Lisa said she was going to the refuge this weekend.

Mema Jo said...

So osprey left nesting platform and
Looks like an egg

paula eagleholic said...

Osprey gone again.

carolinabeachmom said...

glo, I just spent the rest of the morning looking and sending on some of your videos. They were very beautifully done. Now it is on to looking around at all the nests. BW osprey nest is up I take it?

carolinabeachmom said...

All I was was an egg with two blackbirds sitting on either side of it at BW

Mema Jo said...

One osprey is back now.

carolinabeachmom said...

The osprey is there now, but not sitting on the egg?

carolinabeachmom said...

Does anyone know how long an agg can be left out before it is no good for hatching?

Unknown said...

Is it possible that they laid an egg but left ? I just got on and I see a white thing in the middle of the nest.

Mema Jo said...

The closer I look - the more I question that it is an egg. I sure
hope Lisa updates with some info soon.
I was thinking that like a falcon - the osprey won't nest on the egg until the full clutch is laid. Paula mentioned something to this effect earlier on the blog about their nesting habits.

Mema Jo said...

Not funny - BUT the BW crows are interested in whatever it is.....

Mema Jo said...

BW Webmaster must have heard us talking.. Most recent update
04/15/07:
From the refuge, it appears that three ospreys are fighting over the platform. We've seen the adult in the platform getting dive-bombed by a competing osprey. This is likely why the parents are not incubating the egg.

carolinabeachmom said...

Sometimes I don't think it looks like an agg; maybe a leaf

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Mema Jo said...

2 osprey are at platform now..
Don't know if it is the couple or the 2 male competitors......
Now there is only one.

Candy & Tawnya: On the right hand side of the BW cams is the
POP UP CAM Click on it and
then you don't need full screen...

ThanksKate for Maines' update. I was there earlier and could see the wind picking up. Good strong thoughts going up to ME. I just wonder if there will be a 2nd chick?

Mema Jo said...

OOPS! Be darn if I see an egg anymore at BW osprey.. Am I going blind? Did anyone see any bird take it? DUH.......

carolinabeachmom said...

No egg in nest now and osprey gone. Jo, I keep looking to Maine to see if they are going to have another baby too.

Unknown said...

I don't have a full cam view. I have just the little one like always. Is there another cam view for the eagles?

Mema Jo said...

Feeding time in Maine.......

carolinabeachmom said...

I have the pop up cam on now. Thanks jo. Every little bit helps when you are trying to watch it all at once.

Mema Jo said...

Adult eagle in ME also getting some of that feeding!!!

carolinabeachmom said...

Tawnya, if you have already clicked on watch it live, and the pic is up, but small and live, then just double click on the pic and it will be a full screen.

carolinabeachmom said...

The adult eagle needs to learn how to get smaller bites for the baby. lol

Mema Jo said...

Tawnya My comment about full cam view was misleading. I meant that the Pop Up Cam for both the eagles and Osprey on the BW site are cams you can move around your screen - instead of the complete site taking up your whole screen.

I am probably getting you more confused..... LET ME KNOW Tawnya if you get what I am saying.... Someone else can probably say it better....
and I'll find them for you!

floralgirl said...

I wasn't quite sure it was an egg at BW, but whatever it was, it appears to be gone.

Mema Jo said...

Candy - I think the ME adult was getting ready for the oncoming storm by filling his crop!

Mema Jo said...

Hello and Thank You, Megan.
I think the black crow took it!!!!
You just confirmed that I don't need new glasses... lol
How's your GH?

Did you watch the video yet of Remember Me? (I Miss You)

floralgirl said...

Hi Jo. Haven't watched it yet, I will. Just stopped in for a bite of lunch, going back outside while it's not raining. All my neighbors are mowing their grass.

paula eagleholic said...

Looked to me like the egg is gone, too. Bet the crow got it.

carolinabeachmom said...

The BW eagle nest won't go full screen as it is on delay. Only the live cams can you bring up.

paula eagleholic said...

Crows have now taken the egg.

Per Lisa

Mema Jo said...

Heads Up: EMAIL MESSAGE FROM LISA

Hate to tell you this, but the egg is gone.

I'm at the refuge now -- there is a three-osprey fight over the platform or the
female, not sure which. The parents are so busy fighting this third osprey, they just abandoned the egg, and crows took it.
The female on the nest is getting dive-bombed by the third osprey so it's rather
chaotic at the nest.
Best we can hope for is that the fight will work itself out and we'll get another egg or two.

paula eagleholic said...

I got part of my lawn mowed last night. Probably won't get the rest done tonight if the rain moves in early.

paula eagleholic said...

Must have been a standoff at the nest the other day, when the two Osprey were on the nest, but not acknowledging each other.

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carolinabeachmom said...

Oh well, so much for that egg.

carolinabeachmom said...

It does seem as if they are still building up our nest, Jo. Maybe there is still hope.

Mema Jo said...

Candy, I'll never give up hoping for our nest. Just won't know until time goes on. I can't imagine what they were thinking when they brought in such a bundle of long grass - I wonder if the guard saw them getting it from the field? He did one time.

paula eagleholic said...

Bet Bob will come back with some interesting shots!

Mema Jo said...

Paula My thoughts exactly!

paula eagleholic said...

Crow is back at BW - probably looking for more eggs.

Mema Jo said...

I have Dana's and Jim's morning pictures in the Momsters' album.


Paula Do you hear any heavy air traffic up in your neck of the woods? Sounds like some really large aircraft zooming overhead down here.

paula eagleholic said...

Haven't really noticed anything Jo.

Mema Jo said...

They have left the area... I am thankful I am not in a war zone where planes fly over all the time......

Mema Jo said...

Need to leave for awhile...
Usually when I say that - in come the eagles. Maybe this time will also work. They really need to spend some time with their nestorations.

Mema Jo said...

MITS will be glad to know that the pandas love the new MISTING SYSTEM at the zoo. Sitting right where they can get it on them on CAM 2.

I have no clue which 2 pandas are in the yard together right now. Romping and playing...... If it is Tai and Mei - well Tai has grown so much I just can't be sure.

CamsGrammy said...

Hello Everyone! Just a quick in and out for right now. I was just checking in on all the cams and the Barton Cove is back up for right now. Hope you all have a great day!

Mema Jo said...

Going to be gone until 7:00 or so.
Headed to Church service.
BBL

movin said...

GOOD DAY, EVERYONE...
I think the cam is going berserk. How's yours??

Jim

Eagle-Eyed Sharon said...

We have a lovely pic from our camera once again!

Eagle-Eyed Sharon said...

Jim, it sucks!

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